Not to hijack the thread, but Yep, Fred I think the Reflex might have weighed around 200 lbs. I was going to try to monkey with a more-comfy seat for longer rides (meaning more than 15 mi round trip!) but figured that for my bump tolerance the suspension would still have been problematic. But trail obstacles were "no obstacle". It was more the "ride quality" and that perhaps kept the model from going continued mainstream. You got to hand it to Honda and Yamaha for trying new things and for keeping with things that work (like the TW200!).