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   08-02-2009, 2:36 PM
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It was on the bike when I purchased it, but I do believe it is an OEM Yamaha item:

http://blog.yamahagenuineparts.com/2008/02/yamaha-tw200-rear-rack.aspx

 


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   08-02-2009, 2:52 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Turtle Chaser wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>novaks44 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">

I'm thinking of just upgrading the stock bulb to either the Philips Xtreme Power, or the Hella Hyper bulb. Not sure which yet</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Not being satisfied with the stock bulb I first tried a $10 Wagner 'True Vision'. It was way brighter. Doing some research it became apparent all the major light manufacturers are in a bulb war for the "DOT legal" 55/60 watt market. They all try to out perform one another with various tricks and gimmicks. I settled on an Osram heavy duty off road bulb. It is 65/70 watts with clear glass and no bells or whistles. These also come in higher wattage versions but I am well pleased with the slightly illegal 65/70watter.<br></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that's what I've been reading. Your Osram and the Hella Hyper are actually the same bulb. I'm just going to get that one. It's rated at 1350 lumens, which is fantastic for an H4. The 80watt version is rated at 1750! But I don't want to push the stock electrical that hard, so the lower Hella will have to do. On a side note, the bulb that came in my bike stock, is a Philips long life, rated at 60/65 watts. I guess the extra 5 watts is to help compensate for the beefier filament.
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   08-03-2009, 6:20 AM
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Thanks Bill,
I think that will do the job.
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   04-10-2010, 9:11 AM
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 Fourcycle wrote:
I picked up a cheap H4 HID automotive conversion kit and tried it out on the TW headlight.  The setup I got had a Halogen bulb for brights and a HID for low beam.  I selected a 5000K color temperature  (They didn't have 4300K).  It plugged right in and fired up fine.  Once stabilized, the current draw settled down to 3.5 amps at 12.1 volts, or 43.5 watts.  The light was very bright but the low beam cut-off pattern was not acceptable, as you can see in the picture below.  A good projector headlight would be a better choice.


I tried to install Bi-Xenon kit to my TW, I already had a kit for car and tried it now to TW. It works only with low-beam, nothing happens when switch to high-beam (works ok if input current voltage directly from the battery). There is no desent voltage in wires, only about 0.5 V by digital voltage meter. I tried to install relay, but it buzz all the time. What to do?

Maybe the electrical system is different in older models (like I have)...

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   04-10-2010, 12:37 PM
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I tried to install Bi-Xenon kit to my TW, I already had a kit for car and tried it now to TW. It works only with low-beam, nothing happens when switch to high-beam (works ok if input current voltage directly from the battery). There is no desent voltage in wires, only about 0.5 V by digital voltage meter. I tried to install relay, but it buzz all the time. What to do?

Maybe the electrical system is different in older models (like I have)...


I solved this by myself; the voltage is not stable, it makes waves at certain frequency which I can´t measure. That´s why the bulb works ok, because it won´t care about unstable voltage at this frequency.

So, I take the yellow-red wire off (input to the light switch) and put it together with brown one (+12V from the battery when key is at ON-position), means that now there is going +12V from the battery directly to the light switch. Now it works ok, but I have lights on before the engine is running.

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   04-10-2010, 3:56 PM
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If you have an '87 then the headlight does not run off the battery. It runs off the alternator directly. i.e. The engine needs to run for the headlight to come on.

I see from your profile that you have a '95. I don't know why you are having problems. The lights om my '90 come on as soon as I turn on the ignition. Yours should do the same. Strange...
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   04-16-2010, 1:34 PM
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 Fourcycle wrote:
If you have an '87 then the headlight does not run off the battery. It runs off the alternator directly. i.e. The engine needs to run for the headlight to come on. I see from your profile that you have a '95. I don't know why you are having problems. The lights om my '90 come on as soon as I turn on the ignition. Yours should do the same. Strange...


Problems again. The battery died during driving and the front light (xenon) died too (voltage too low). So, the charging is not enough for the headlight which is connected directly to the battery. Should I connect the original wire to the battery (which previously gave power to light)? It´s useless now. Would it charge better then...?

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   04-19-2010, 5:54 PM
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When i did my HID kit install i had to swap my plug around to get the HID bulb to light,  my kit has 2 bulbs 1 HID for low beam and 1 Halogen for high beam.  when plugged in properly the halogen bulb lights in the low beam position and nothing on the high position.  by flipping the plug and only plugging in 2 of the 3 prongs the HID bulb lights in the high beam position on the switch and nothing on the low which is perfect for me,  I can run without a headlight in the woods.  The stock headlight wires should be more than adequate to light up the HID unit


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TeeWee, add a second small 12v battery in the original wire going to the headlight switch. It will buffer the low voltage at idle and high voltage at high rpm.
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   04-20-2010, 11:08 PM
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 TeeWee wrote:
 Fourcycle wrote:
If you have an '87 then the headlight does not run off the battery. It runs off the alternator directly. i.e. The engine needs to run for the headlight to come on. I see from your profile that you have a '95. I don't know why you are having problems. The lights om my '90 come on as soon as I turn on the ignition. Yours should do the same. Strange...


Problems again. The battery died during driving and the front light (xenon) died too (voltage too low). So, the charging is not enough for the headlight which is connected directly to the battery. Should I connect the original wire to the battery (which previously gave power to light)? It´s useless now. Would it charge better then...?


I think the problem is that your bike has a lighting coil which makes pulse current simular to ac power to power the light.  the charging system was designed to power the tail, brake light, turn signal and an occasional horn beep.  adding another 4-5 amps for the headlight bulb is overloading it.  on the newer tw's(not sure when the change took place) the charging system puts out enough power to run everything.  possible remedy is to update to the newer style stator with more amps, or have yours rewound to make more power.


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to any of you running 55-60w bulbs or higher: do you have any problems with the wiring harness or charging system at idle or low rpms? or do i need an on-off toggle for it? i just bought a 55-60w round headlight and i wanted to make sure the electrical system could handle it.
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If you have as front disc brake you already have a 55/60 watt H4 halogen bulb.
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right on. sorry im a noob :P
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   05-19-2010, 7:49 PM
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this looks just like I want mine to look. Do you have more details about this mod? I have searched for Moto Guzi headlights based on your post and have found a lot of very different shapes etc.. Plus, was the wiring an easy match? Any added detail would be very much appreciated. Looks nice!
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   05-19-2010, 8:30 PM
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Randall, if you are referring to my TW, I think that you could use any period (1970s) 7" headlamp bucket and get the same effect. I used the Guzzi item simply because I had one around after replacing the one on my '79 SP.

The wiring was no big deal.

It's a bit late now, so I will take additional pics for you tomorrow after work.

Bill

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   05-20-2010, 7:32 AM
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amazon.com has a Wagner BP1210/H4 bulb. 80/100 watts
Very bright, maybe bright enough to get a ticket if you forget to switch to low beam in time.
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   05-20-2010, 11:25 AM
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Bear in mind that the TW headlight socket and wiring can be marginal even with the stock wattage bulb, particularly on older bikes.

I fried two before upgrading to an automotive harness and #12 wire.
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   05-20-2010, 1:53 PM
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Okay, I took two quick pics which I hope will show the simplicity of the swap. I did use the existing wiring, including the stock three-prong connector. Upgrading, as lizrdbtrh mentioned, is likely a good idea if using a more powerful lamp.

Here's the stock TW lamp:



I did this about a year ago, but if I remember correctly, although the Guzzi headlight is also a three-prong, I had to rearrange the wires in the connector. Easy peasy. Here's the Guzzi lamp connection:



Not the best photo, I know, but it really is quite a simple exchange. And as I said, this was about a year ago, and no electrical issues to date. The light provided is enough for me, and I prefer the look of a round, vintage (like me) headlight, so I've been happy with the switch.

Let me know if I can help any further~

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While scanning eBay the other day, I came across some H4 HID bulbs the looked promising for giving a good low-beam cutoff in a regular headlight.  For $16 shipped, I ordered a 4300K low beam set, installed one in a standard TW headlight when they came in and fired it up.

Very nice!  Good cutoff, though no high beam which I think will be okay considering how bright 4300K HID is.



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I use my 05 Tdub for offroad only and have been using an aftermarket street fighter headlight since about the first week I had the bike. I just put my stock one back on and am honestly surprised how bright it is. I also don't have the turn signals or tail light on the bike anymore so all the stator power is practically going to the headlight, so that probably helps the brightness.
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