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   08-09-2008, 8:52 PM
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TW Oil Change
I have taken several photo's of my oil change in an effort to help guide one through the oil change process. Veterans please scrutinize this and if necessary I will edit this post. PM me on corrections so these will not cloud the main post.  Please , no preferential comments about the brand of oil, etc. This is just a guide to help avoid the pitfalls others have made, and also a couple of trouble spots to look for.
What you need:
TW200/Oil/Container to catch old oil/Funnel/5mm hex wrench/19mm-6point socket and ratchet/8mm socket/10mm wrench/clean towels/WD-40

Service Points:
Oil Drain Plug

Oil Filter/Strainer Cover

Trouble Spots:
Base Gasket leak

Shifter oil seal leak

Remove the drain plug (under spring tension) and drain the oil.(19mm-6pt. socket)
 
Clean the strainer

Clean the drain plug-I have Mules Mag Plug.Inspect the o-ring.


Remove oil filter/strainer cover.(5mm hex and 8mm socket) Position bolts in the same pattern as removed.Inspect o-ring.

Check o-ring on oil fill cap/plug for damage and missing.

This is what you should see when the cover is removed.

Oil filter/strainer. Notice the junk? If damaged replace with Yamaha Part Number: 5HO-13440-09-00 Spray WD-40 or low pressure air from inside out to remove junk.

Clean the oil filter cavity. Note o-ring on bottom bolt hole. Inspect.

Install cleaned filter/strainer- this end goes in first.Your filter MUST have the four holes like this one. I don't care what the parts dept. says.There have been WAY TOO MANY ENGINE FAILURES due to mislabled filter boxes. FOUR SLOTS & FOUR HOLES!!!! Refer to above part number for the correct filter/strainer.

You should now see this.If so, replace cover.

Replace everything you removed and fill with oil to this level, shown with the bike upright.

Start the motor and loosen the bolt with the phillips head several turns.(10mm wrench) Oil should run out of here. If not shut the motor off and reinspect the filter.


This is not all inclusive of how  every bolt should be removed or tightened.  This is for those who feel confident enough to change their oil and when in doubt, ASK !!
I hope you enjoy this,..............Rick. 




 



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   08-09-2008, 10:21 PM
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Thank you Rick.
Great photos....I am ready to start doing the oil changes myself and this post will come in mighty handy!
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   08-10-2008, 7:41 AM
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Hey Rick, you are the man! I did the 2nd oil change on my T-Dub last week with JeHa (The dealer did the first) and that would have been very helpful. I could have saved a bit of time for sure.

I'd only add a warning about ("surprise") when the drain plug (powered by the spring) comes flying out into the dirty oil basin if you use a hex wrench or do the final turns by hand.

Question: My oil (I have no idea what it was) was totaly black and opaque after just 450 miles. Is that normal? I only had minimal metal shavings though. I almost wonder if the dealer actually changed the oil when they did the first service.

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TiresWide- I don't know the answer to your black oil question....but I am wondering the same thing about the shop or dealer actually changing the oil. That's why I am going to start doing it myself.
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I have a few old rim /tires laying around my shop. What I do is lay the bike down on the right hand side, tire/rim combo underneath the  right rear foot peg, and undo the oil drainage bolt on the lower left hand side. This way things don't end up springing up and out, with gravity helping keep things all in place. I then pull the cap, spring and strainer up and out.   I then start bringing the bike back up on it's wheels and then onto the kickstand, with a catch bucket underneath the oil drainage opening to catch all the used motor oil.  Clean out the strainer and use gravity again to reinstall all the parts.  

Go to right hand side of motor, then pull the  oil filter, clean and reinstall.  Replace the motor oil with 1.1 liters, check the level in the sight window.

I usually pull the air filter at the same time as an oil change, wash out in solvent,  re oil the air filter and reinstall. Better to do the whole job instead of half the job, all filters need to be cleaned at the same time, both oil and air.

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   08-10-2008, 2:42 PM
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 TiresWide200 wrote:
Hey Rick, you are the man! I did the 2nd oil change on my T-Dub last week with JeHa (The dealer did the first) and that would have been very helpful. I could have saved a bit of time for sure.

I'd only add a warning about ("surprise") when the drain plug (powered by the spring) comes flying out into the dirty oil basin if you use a hex wrench or do the final turns by hand.

Question: My oil (I have no idea what it was) was totaly black and opaque after just 450 miles. Is that normal? I only had minimal metal shavings though. I almost wonder if the dealer actually changed the oil when they did the first service.


Thanks.I noted the spring tension. I added a couple of other things and I have one more for later.The black oil is good as your oil is doing it's job to suspend the "bad stuff". Once anyone has changed their oil a couple of times you can take pride and rest assured of a job well done. The TW uses the same oil for the transmission so regular servicing is important........Rick.

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Mods & Accys :Kickstarter,2003 Fender,Jimbo's Cafe Shield,Mule's Mag Plug,Blaster Horns,ATV Seat Cushion,Cyclerack and custom base,Mirror Extensions,
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Thanks dxnomad, that's great of you to take the time to make pics and post them for us. Much appreciated!

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Re: TW Oil Change

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Hi,

it's a good manual.
But the org. oilfilter are not the best, because the surface for the cleaning work is very small.
I prefer the oilfilter HF143 from HiFloFiltro.


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   08-10-2008, 6:34 PM
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What does the other end look like? It is probably readily available for non-US markets, not too sure about the USA. Have you actually used it?I agree that the pleated filter offers more surface area. Not to pick, but as long as one frequently changes the oil and cleans the filter, and it is not completly covered  in junk, the difference in surface area should have minimal impact on the engines longevity.As I said in the begining, this is not about preferences, just procedure and cautions. Thanks for the info,.............Rick.

Reference reading from our members posts:
http://tw200forum.com/forums/17361/ShowPost.aspx
http://tw200forum.com/forums/9355/ShowPost.aspx
Note Mr.Gizmo's post in the above link. Aparently Yamaha has upgraded the filter with a pleated one, same part number.





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thanks rick for the oil filter post. that helps me out tremendous. chris
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Thanks for the pictures.  Is everyone putting in just one quart? It seemed to work good for my oil level after one quart.

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   08-10-2008, 9:10 PM
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My '06 only holds one quart . Any more puts the level above the top line on my bike .

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Thanks Rick, pictures are worth thousands of words. Drinks [D]
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This is a photo of a HIFLO HF143 filter.  I installed this on my very first oil change and paid a price.  You must be aware; there needs to be four small holes, uncovered by the rubber washer.  This photo shows there are NO HOLES; only stamped marks where they should have been.


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Great post. How often does everyone change their oil and filter?

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Thank you very much for posting this pic. I thought the brand and number sounded familar. Went back and reread your posts. At first I didn't want preferences and then the guy from Germany posted that filter and it just didn't look right. Now I'm glad he did as a warning to others to be VERY OBSERVANT when choosing replacement filters, including Yamaha brand. I don't know if yours was a slip up on the line or if all of those were made that way. I repeat-MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE FOUR HOLES . PLEATED OR SMOOTH DOESNT MATTER, JUST THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT AND THE FOUR HOLES. Here is the link to your post .
 http://tw200forum.com/forums/40046/ShowPost.aspx

Everyone changes their oil at different intervals, but I don't think any of us wait for the factory mileage oil change. I have 2300 miles on mine and I have done 8 oil changes. Most were in the first 500 miles then about every 500 miles thereafter. At 1.2 quarts it is cheap insurance and also gets you down there to look things over for  safety issues. Thanks to all for the kind words and being part of a great group.....................Rick.

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I believe 1.2 US quarts comes out to 1 quart and 6 ounces.  I fill mine up with 1 quart bottle and 5 ounces.  Fills it right to the top of the full mark.

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It's funny too that Hiflo makes alot of the o.e.m. filters! It pays to precheck!
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@ dxnomad and soeyesays
This could be an old one. Here is a pic from the actual design. I use this filter since 3 years and I never had problems with it.

(sorry for the bad quality)



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Thanks for the follow up. As in almost all threads about the filter, look for the  holes in the end with the slotted gasket.

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Did anyone have trouble keeping the spring on mules magnetic plug. Took me a couple trys but got it. Hoping someone has a trick.

Used this and Jim's post no problems on first oil change.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I just hold the plug and spring with both hands, finger tips holding the spring, push in until it contacts the threads then turn it a few times. Then using a six point socket you tighten it down. Make sure you keep that socket tight so as not to strip the soft aluminum plug.

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I've never had a problem reinstalling any oil plug. Put in the screen, put in the spring, press the plug gently agains the case with one thumb while twisting the plug with the other hand 2-3 threads deep, then take a wrench to it.

Mule's plug mod has nothing to dop with reinstallation because all mods are below the spring perches in the plug.
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nice post and thanks for doing it. I have been changing my oil on my bike for a while now, but am fairly new to the trouble points on the TW. you mention base gasket leaks.... I have some seepage at the front of the cylinder and I guess that is it. Is this a warranty item???
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