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01-31-2010, 8:29 AM sowaltdub Joined on 01-31-2010 Santa Rosa Beach, FL Posts 5 break in period;oil changes Hi..I'm new to this forum as of today. I just purchased my first TW yesterday, its an '09 with 0 miles on it, well 11.5 now. My question is how crucial is the oil change after 20 miles, then anoher 20 and so forth. The Yamaha dealer where I picked it up just said to bring it in at 600 miles for its 'most important' service time. Any information about this would be greatly appreciated, and any other break in tips. THANKS! Adam    Report

01-31-2010, 12:55 PM JS5owner Joined on 04-02-2007 Desert Hot Springs / Palm Springs CA Posts 526 Re: break in period;oil changes Adam, You'll get tons of suggestions and here is mine. When I got my bike new I changed the oil at 50, 100, 300 and now every 500 miles. I discovered the first two oil changes that the filter had a bunch of metal bits, etc. Oil is cheap and I want to keep my bike for a long time! Congrats on your new bike and welcome to the forum! 2007-Turn Beeper, Tusk riser & guards, Cycleracks Rear, Garmin 60csx & 205w, Ricochet Armor, Rear Bag, Gorilla Alarm, Stearns cover, 90d fuel filter, Oury Grips, Mule Hitch Pin, Duro Power Grip & 6006 tires, Digital temp & tach, 55t sprocket, Odyssey batt.    Report

01-31-2010, 1:22 PM onecast1fish Joined on 12-31-2009 AZ Posts 7 Re: break in period;oil changes Welcome Sowaltdud, good first stop,. I don't know why you would want to change oil at 20 miles and there after at that interval, the owner's manual calls for the first oil change at 600 miles and also the valve clearance check and adjustment (dealer's "most important" service). The owner's manual on page 6-4 has a section on "engine break-in" and on page 7-3 has a "periodic maintenance chart", that lists the maintenance intervals. The dealer should have provided an owner's manual with the bike, if they didn't you need to get one. Having said that, as soon as I got my 200 home I checked as many nuts and bolts as I could access, also checked the torque on the axle nut as well as the chain slack. I also thought that the clutch was not disengaging as it should, I did a search on this forum, and indeed the return spring was not attached correctly. Take your time and check out your new toy. Enjoy your new ride. EDIT I posted this and then read JS5owner's post , oil change to remove any floating crap, "oil is cheap".    Report

02-01-2010, 1:51 PM CaptD Joined on 02-09-2007 Ft. Lauderdale, FLA. Posts 375 Re: break in period;oil changes www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm. After you change the oil after 20 miles and see all the metal come out you will want a magnetic drain plug. CaptD. 2007 TW 200 - Cycleracks, IMS pegs, handlebar risers, Mules magnetic drain plug and seat nuts, raised YZ front fender, Maxxis 6006 front tire, 52 T. rear sprocket, Dual sport folding mirror, Ricochet skidplate, 90 degree fuel filter.    Report

02-01-2010, 3:31 PM rEno83 Joined on 09-29-2008 Reno, Nevada Posts 948 Re: break in period;oil changes Hey Adam, I'd go for the more frequent changing schedule, than recommended from the owner's manuel. Like stated above, the majority of break in is during the first 100 miles. My first change was around 100 miles, then again two more times before the 600 mile change. I really think it'd be ok to leave it until 600 - but why? Especially when TW only takes a quart of oil AND it's fun to get to know TW too. Great bonding experience for you and your new toy - I say change it!!! -Adam thrashin' and crashin' w/ TW, always with a smile :) 06' TW 05' R6 "Freedom is Irrelevant, when Sovereignty is Absent" -Me.    Report

02-01-2010, 7:35 PM Polar Pilot Joined on 06-05-2008 Iqaluit Nunavut Canada Posts 191 Re: break in period;oil changes This is a topic of considerable interest - we all have our own opinions of oil type and oil change frequency but - and here is the rub Very few of us are engineers with a specialization on lubricants and lubricant additivies. Yamaha know a lot about building motorcycles and engines - do you really suppose they would suggest 600 miles for the first oil change if it were not correct for the engine? I have expienced a rebuild on several engines - and I have read lots of information and misinformation about oil changes, I kind of like to lean towards the Engineers know what they are doing - that the break in oil in the engine needs to be there with the metal particles to complete the break in period properly. Not saying changing it is wrong - just that there are two ways of looking at it and thousands of riders riding all sorts of motorcycles go with the manual recomendations Something to think about - never mind the environmental benefits of not looking for a dumping sport for all that unneccesary wasted oil Okay - have at me =  I am sure someone is going to flame this point of view 2004 TW200 Jimbo's shield D2Moto foot pegs Cycleracks front and rear Stearns seat pad    Report

02-02-2010, 7:24 AM NumberThree Joined on 03-20-2008 Fort Cosmos Posts 46 Re: break in period;oil changes No flame here.  I'm sure there's plenty of TWs that don't even get their oil changed at 600 if ever, and they still run just fine.  It's a pretty robust, forgiving little engine. However, I changed my oil after 50 miles and fairly frequently thereafter once I'd seen the metal in the filter.  I do it every thousand miles now or before a long trip.  I want this bike to last as long as it can....    Report

02-02-2010, 1:07 PM kj7687 Joined on 09-01-2007 socal(Inland Empire/San Bernardino County) Posts 1,370 Re: break in period;oil changes I'd go middle ground: 50, 300, 600, and then every 1000 thereafter, which is basically what I have done after I rebuilt the engine! 07 Honda ruckus (wire mesh around frame to provide underseat storage enclosure, storage bag)-SOLD 07 Yamaha TW200 (44 tooth rear sprocket, www.cycleracks.com rear luggage rack) 97 Suzuki DR200 (Pirelli MT21 rear tire, Bridgestone ED03 front tire)    Report

02-03-2010, 12:25 PM novaks44 Joined on 02-04-2009 San Jose, CA Posts 530 Re: break in period;oil changes Welcome to the forum! I also have an '09 that I bought new. I changed the oil and cleaned the oil filter at around 25 miles. The filter had tons of metal shavings/debris on it, and the oil looked as if it came out of a bike that never saw an oil change in years. I did another at 50mi, then I forget after that, I'll have to look at my log. lol Each interval grew though, that much I remember, and with each oil change came better looking oil, and less debris on the oil filter. You can safely go longer, but I say at least clean the filter regularly until the bike is broken in. 2009 TW :47T Rear Sprocket; Pro-Circuit Exhaust w/silencer; Jimbo C's Cafe Shield; The usual carb mods; LED speedo and indicator lights; Headlight kill switch; DID O-ring Chain; Ricochet Skid Plate; Osram Rallye H4 bulb; Wolo horn w/relay; KLR pegs    Report

02-03-2010, 10:29 PM Petrus Joined on 06-17-2008 Cape Town, South Africa Posts 118 Re: break in period;oil changes  kj7687 wrote: I'd go middle ground: 50, 300, 600, and then every 1000 thereafter. +1 Oil is cheap and it`s easy to change it................ I use Castrol GTX 20W-50 The price for it was R95 for 5l - Thats about $12.67 US You use 1L per oil change - thats $2.53 The oil filter is re-usable, just clean it before putting in the new oil. Remember to check the oil flow at the top of the head after you change the oil - use the search function of the forum, there`s lots off posts that will help you. 2008 Yamaha TW200 Honda XR500R Honda CL90    Report

02-13-2010, 9:10 PM Gerg1 Joined on 02-07-2010 Bakersfield Posts 4 Re: break in period;oil changes I'm breaking mine in right now and here's what I'm doing. Rode it 250 miles and changed the oil AND filter. After seeing how it looked I would probably have done it at 100 miles. Next change will be at ~500 miles. I'm running Mobil 1 15-50 because of the kind of riding I do AND the temps I'll be riding in. If your filter doesn't have "pleats" (folds like a normal oil filter) replace it with a new one that does. The 2010 model had a screen filter that was just round, no pleats. Same screen size with both filters, just the pleated one has a much larger surface area. I got a lot of crap out of mine when I cleaned it up but I still went with the new filter. You'll see an amazing amount of metal on the first change. Clean the screen at the drain plug too. Wipe out the filter housing and the drain plug housting too. Lots of gunk left in there if you don't. Greg South Central California    Report

02-14-2010, 1:05 AM WINGNUT200 Joined on 01-16-2009 St. Paul Posts 65 Re: break in period;oil changes Hey welcome to the forums I agree with the whole bunch of oil changes thing. When I started wrenching I learned about balanced and blueprinted street rod motors and having been a machinist many years ago I can honestly say those break in oil changes can add years to your motor. For those about to rock!    Report

02-26-2010, 4:58 PM Solomoriah Joined on 01-04-2009 LaBelle, MO Posts 260 Re: break in period;oil changes I broke mine in using the "hard" breakin, with an oil change at about 20 miles, again at 60, again somewhere around 120, and then last at 600; I have about 1300 on it now, and will change it around 1600 (so, about a thousand per change). For the first 60 miles I ran the speed up and down a lot, and didn't pay any attention to the manual (i.e. didn't run it slow all the time like the book says).  After the 60 mile oil change, I basically forgot about all that nonsense and just rode.  My bike doesn't burn any oil and the last two changes the oil came out looking pretty good.  Yeah, there were a bunch of shavings in the filter the first two times... 600 miles with that crud in there doesn't sound at all smart, manual or no manual. '08 TW200, D2Moto pegs, custom rebuilt seat, Fox handlebar pad, Ricochet bash plate, Fiamm Low-Tone horn, plus a Bell bag made for bicycles (big enough for a bottle of water and some Band-Aids).    Report

03-09-2010, 3:15 AM Petrus Joined on 06-17-2008 Cape Town, South Africa Posts 118 Re: break in period;oil changes  Solomoriah wrote: I broke mine in using the "hard" breakin, with an oil change at about 20 miles, again at 60, again somewhere around 120  .........  there were a bunch of shavings in the filter the first two times... 600 miles with that crud in there doesn't sound at all smart, manual or no manual. I agree - thats also the way I did it. Engine durability will tell if we did it right or wrong :) So far so good. I`ve never had any problems with my bike. 2008 Yamaha TW200 Honda XR500R Honda CL90    Report

03-09-2010, 10:48 AM eldavo Joined on 02-21-2007 Perth, Western Australia Posts 1,169 Re: break in period;oil changes I got mine at 742km or so, changed oil and filter, then ~1500km again oil and filter. Latest ~3000km here's the oil and filter change... I chose full synthetic Fuchs Silkolene 15W-50 for the reduced oil temperature full synthetic apparently achieves in air cooled engines. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/tillis/TW/oil-filter-3rd-change-3000km.jpg PS: I did the Motoman run-in on my 2006 DR650 from brand new. I did over 14000km without problem before selling it. http://tw200.wiki-site.com/ our own Wikipedia! TW Wiki Updates thread    Report

03-09-2010, 8:24 PM Solomoriah Joined on 01-04-2009 LaBelle, MO Posts 260 Re: break in period;oil changes Synthetic, eh?  Let us know if you have any clutch slippage... Yamaha warns that's a possibility with synthetic oil, but I have to admit I don't know if it's REALLY an issue or not. '08 TW200, D2Moto pegs, custom rebuilt seat, Fox handlebar pad, Ricochet bash plate, Fiamm Low-Tone horn, plus a Bell bag made for bicycles (big enough for a bottle of water and some Band-Aids).    Report

03-09-2010, 8:37 PM TW-87 Joined on 02-01-2010 Manitoba, Canada Posts 305 Re: break in period;oil changes Okay , here goes ! I might as well pile on too... I'm with Polar Pilot on this one. All new engines are supplied with "break-in oil" that is designed to help the rings and bearings wear in properly. Having said that, the metal bits don't really help the process, thats why the filter is in there. So the best possible thing for the engine would be to change the oil early, but replace the original oil with some more "beak-in" oil. My understanding is this is plain mineral oil without any anti-wear additives. Whatever yo do, DO NOT use any oil that says "high mileage" or "energy efficient" or anything to indicate that it has low friction additives. Besides encouraging  clutch slipping, those additives will interfere with the break in process. TW-87 1987 TW200, 15/44 sprockets, DID O-ring chain, Award winning, "Quick Release" Action Packer :-))    Report

03-09-2010, 8:51 PM eldavo Joined on 02-21-2007 Perth, Western Australia Posts 1,169 Re: break in period;oil changes <BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Solomoriah wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">Synthetic, eh?  Let us know if you have any clutch slippage... Yamaha warns that's a possibility with synthetic oil, but I have to admit I don't know if it's REALLY an issue or not.<br><br></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> I've commuted with the bike the last 2.5days (still have to get home to finish day 3) as a change to the TRX, and give the TW a post-maintenance burn to check all OK before next offroading. I haven't noticed any difference from the semi-synthetic (5% synthetic?) Shell 15W-50 oil I ran before. Re: clutch slippage - old oil... I could do take off wheelies in 1st gear with 45 tooth rear just by putting my sitting back on the seat instead of hugging the tank over the front wheel. - full synthetic oil... doing the same wheelies with same clutch feel :) http://tw200.wiki-site.com/ our own Wikipedia! TW Wiki Updates thread    Report

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