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03-06-2010, 4:41 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Aux plug I would like to hook up an aux plug (cig lighter style)Where is the best place to tie into the wiring?    Report

03-06-2010, 5:37 PM bikerjosh Joined on 08-14-2008 Bay Area, Northern Cali Posts 216 Re: Aux plug At the battery? Josh Mods: Richocet Skid plate, Tiny Tach, acerbis handguards, rear cyclerack , D2 pegs, brake pedal mod, MSR High ATV bar, Ag-Supply tractor tube. Banshee rear shock mod, alum. front fender bracket w/Acerbis supermoto fender, MSR yz80 shifter.    Report

03-06-2010, 6:43 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug I was hoping to be able to power it on with the key. Figured someone had done it before. I am just being lazy. We have temps in the mid 50's and rather ride the wrench    Report

03-06-2010, 7:29 PM rodrey Joined on 05-14-2009 Simi Valley, Ca Posts 744 Re: Aux plug It depends on how many amps you will pull through it. Not very much current capacity to spare in the original harness. TW-less for now... Proud Dad of a Marine 3 1/2 gallon Clarke tank Banshee rear shock XT250 forks 21" front rim XT250 speedo cluster XT225 kickstand Duro Power Grip ATV tire Opened up exhaust CRF 450 handlebars GPS bar mount    Report

03-06-2010, 7:58 PM JoMomSophat Joined on 07-12-2006 Seattle WA Posts 824 Re: Aux plug just remember if you connect it at the battery there won't be a switch if you leave a devise plugged in there you could drain your battery.    Report

03-07-2010, 5:41 AM mrutkaus Joined on 07-10-2008 N of Winchester VA Posts 198 Re: Aux plug Attachment: tw200 lighter socket.jpg I put mine right from the battery with an inline fuse. It is an ebay lighter socket with leads and a built in fuse, not meant to go into a panel, just a free hanging one. Coincidently, it snaps right into a space between the rear fender and the frame and stays there. I put a cork in it to keep it clean.    Report

03-07-2010, 6:21 AM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug I will using the plug for gps or cell phone charger, so no real heavy amp draw. My mind has been known to wonder, hence the reason to use the key to turn it on and off. Of course if I can remember to turn the key off, which I have done twice now...    Report

03-07-2010, 12:51 PM JS5owner Joined on 04-02-2007 Desert Hot Springs / Palm Springs CA Posts 526 Re: Aux plug I posted some pics of my 12vdc (with 2 connectors, on/off switch and digital outside temp gauge) over here: http://tw200forum.com/forums/90921/ShowPost.aspx 2007-Turn Beeper, Tusk riser & guards, Cycleracks Rear, Garmin 60csx & 205w, Ricochet Armor, Rear Bag, Gorilla Alarm, Stearns cover, 90d fuel filter, Oury Grips, Mule Hitch Pin, Duro Power Grip & 6006 tires, Digital temp & tach, 55t sprocket, Odyssey batt.    Report

03-07-2010, 2:34 PM srs713 Joined on 09-14-2008 Wichita, KS Posts 440 Re: Aux plug  bser613 wrote: I will using the plug for gps or cell phone charger, so no real heavy amp draw. My mind has been known to wonder, hence the reason to use the key to turn it on and off. Of course if I can remember to turn the key off, which I have done twice now... A relay would be easy to install. Best of both. Power straight from the battery and control thru the key. Stephen S. '07 TW200: 15/50 sprockets, O-ring chain, D2Moto foot pegs tweaked carb (127.5 jet, 0.019 needle shim, idle screw @2.25), Rubbermaid "Action Packer" on homemade brackets    Report

03-07-2010, 6:27 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug JS5owner that is the placement I am looking for. srs713 idea of a relay is right on cue, I have several lil bosch relays that I pulled out of a salvaged truck. Like he said, best of both. Thanks everyone    Report

03-07-2010, 6:55 PM JoMomSophat Joined on 07-12-2006 Seattle WA Posts 824 Re: Aux plug those things are notorious for having shorts im not sure which plugs are the culprits but a friend of mine put one of those on his quad and that thing would draw current even when it was not in use. make sure you do use a switch or measure the resistance between the wires if it is less than 100% you might get a drain on your battery. it might only draw a little current because of the high resistance but over time that can kill your battery.    Report

03-07-2010, 7:46 PM Gerg1 Joined on 02-07-2010 Bakersfield Posts 4 Re: Aux plug I put a couple powerlets on mine this weekend. http://www.powerletproducts.com/ One at the handlebars for the GPS on a home brew bracket and one in the right side cover. There is room for it to fit in the void behind the tool kit. Just leave enough slack in the wire to be able to pull the cover off. Each outlet has it's own fuse. 10 amp on the side panel and 5 on the GPS plug. I've put powerlets on every bike I've owned. Never a problem. Greg Greg South Central California    Report

03-08-2010, 4:17 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug Really, I have been using them for years and have never had a problem with them. I will pay more attention to the one I will use on the bike. Thanks for the tip.    Report

03-10-2010, 7:13 AM TW2007 Joined on 09-17-2007 Washington Posts 1,189 Re: Aux plug Below is a Table for a 2007 TW200 Alternator Output Capability. RPM/Amps/Watts Table RPM AMPS WATTS 2000 8 100 4000 13 162 6000 14 175 8000 15 187 Somewhere above 2000rpm the bikes alternator can pick up the charge from the battery depending on the batteries state of charge. With a low battery, headlight and turn signal running lights on you will need about 3000 rpm or maybe a little more to charge the battery. To charge a GPS add 1.5 amps and for a cell phone about 1 amp or so. So you may need to keep the bike at or above 4000 rpm in order to charge the bike's battery. Headlight Draws 5 amps Panel Lights Draw about 1 amp (Neutral, High Beam, Turn, Instrument Light Combined) Tail Light Draws 1.5 amps Two Front Turn Lights (not Flashing) 1.5 amps When Flashing add another 1.5 amps. Brake Light - ON add another 1.5 amps Then add your new loads: GPS/Cell/etc NOTE: after 6000 rpm the bikes alternator does not have alot of additional capability and the curve goes relatively flat. From 6000 to 8000 rpm you only get 1 amp extra output. So if you run a load on the TW200 you need to keep the bikes rpm between 4000 and 8000 if you want to carry a load and keep the battery charged. This can be challenging off-road especially down hill. This is why some owners have placed an off switch on their headlight. Also anytime you want to draw a high load from the electrical system it is prudent to use a relay. A relay can be switched (either through the ignition or you can purchase a separate switch). Good Luck on your electrical adventures. You can also reduce the bikes loads by using LEDs should you desire to so. Once you have wired up your new loads you can find out the health of your bikes electrical system. You will need a tach and a volt meter. I remove the seat and place the voltmeter across the battery +/- terminal. With the bike running and everything electrical turned on-- I increase the rpm until the voltage on the meter is equal to or greater than 13 volts. Note the rpm------ this is where the bike's alternator can handle the load and has enough extra power to charge the battery. If you cannot get 13 volts your electrical system is overloaded and you need to turn some things off. Hope this helps with the output capabilities of the TW200 Mike PS-I'm considering buying a portable solar panel and controller to aid in charging the bikes electrical system or cell phone or camera batteries. The TW200 may be slow but the Earth is patient. For my Travel Log Visit http://backroadsofnorthamerica.com/ Planning a Trip to Sumpter Oregon in July    Report

03-10-2010, 7:41 AM JS5owner Joined on 04-02-2007 Desert Hot Springs / Palm Springs CA Posts 526 Re: Aux plug Mike, OUTSTANDING summary of the power / charge / rpms of our beloved Tdubs. I have two 12vdc plugs that I run both GPSs. The other day my Odyssey PC310 battery was dead... I've since purchased an "Odyssey Ultimizer charger that I keep hooked to the battery (it is a very smart charger made for my battery). I think my battery died because during the last few rides, my Hi-beam light was on the whole time... plus my bike sat for 3 weeks without being run. I'm just drawing too much from my charging circuit... and not putting it back in while riding. 2007-Turn Beeper, Tusk riser & guards, Cycleracks Rear, Garmin 60csx & 205w, Ricochet Armor, Rear Bag, Gorilla Alarm, Stearns cover, 90d fuel filter, Oury Grips, Mule Hitch Pin, Duro Power Grip & 6006 tires, Digital temp & tach, 55t sprocket, Odyssey batt.    Report

03-10-2010, 6:45 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug That's an awesome bit of info,gonna have to copy it into my tw file for future use. I do not plan on using the gps or cell charger that much, as I like to wonder thru the woods, but you never know. Again, Thank you for the info    Report

03-10-2010, 9:37 PM TW2007 Joined on 09-17-2007 Washington Posts 1,189 Re: Aux plug Attachment: charge.jpg This has been post several times on this site- it the Alternator Output Data. There have been some discussions about installing a more powerful alternator into the TW but so far now one has found one or a shop that will rewind the TWs stator. Even if this can be found then the next question is will the bike's regulator handle the output of the new alternator or will this unit need to be replaced. This could become a costly project!!!!! But for those looking at using the TW as a long haul adventure tourer the ability to add heated gear or ...... is quite seductive. Again look at the chart below - you can see that at after 5000 rpm the alternator is no homesick angel as far as additional output is concerned. And at low rpm the bikes lights can overpower the alternators output-causing the battery to drain. This can occur if your just chugging around and you don't realized it. Then you decide to stop - take a break. Then when you get back to the bike wonder why your bike won't start. (Has this happened to you? By the way did you forgot to turn off the turn signals they draw an addition amp or two). This is why I installed LED turn lights and brake lights and installed a 35 watt headlight bulb in in place of the OEM 55 watter. This helps reduce the rpms necessary to power the new lower load. Also I'm putting an Off/On switch into the headlight to help with this as well. I also want to install an ammeter so I can monitor the electrical system's status. The TW200 may be slow but the Earth is patient. For my Travel Log Visit http://backroadsofnorthamerica.com/ Planning a Trip to Sumpter Oregon in July    Report

03-10-2010, 9:38 PM TW2007 Joined on 09-17-2007 Washington Posts 1,189 Re: Aux plug Attachment: cp1.JPG This is a picture of the power panel that I installed on my TW200. I removed the tool kit and put it in my top box and added this fused panel. My GPS, Vapor Gauge, Aux Plug are fused through this panel. This picture was taken after installation. I also added a plug in for my battery tender in this are so I don't have to remove the seat. I could have just plugged it in through the aux power plug but elected not to do that-(for no particular reason). Since I installed the LED lights on the bike my LED flasher lives here too-- right side of the power panel (not pictured) instead of behind the rear brake switch (its original location on my bike-some bikes the flasher is located up by the headlight). Also to the left of the power panel I have a small plastic container that carries a few spare fuses (not pictured). The TW200 may be slow but the Earth is patient. For my Travel Log Visit http://backroadsofnorthamerica.com/ Planning a Trip to Sumpter Oregon in July    Report

03-11-2010, 2:19 PM bser613 Joined on 02-02-2010 New Jersey Posts 20 Re: Aux plug I know you said the draw on the headlight was 5amp. Was that with the 55 or 35 bulb? Do you have the numbers after you did the mods to the headlights and signals? This is excellent info you are providing here    Report

03-11-2010, 3:28 PM jwiereng Joined on 11-27-2009 Niagara , Ontario CAN Posts 66 Re: Aux plug remember ohm's law and joule's law from highschool physics? Me either, but I looked it up and when the two are combined you get P=VI where P is power in watts, V is potential in volts and I is the current in Amps The voltage of TW is variable but lets say 12.5 55 watts = 12.5volts*I ----- I= 4.4 35 watts =12.5 volts*I ----- I= 2.8 In theory to get that 5 amps that was discussed one could use 55 watt bulb at 11 volts.    Report

03-11-2010, 5:15 PM TW-87 Joined on 02-01-2010 Manitoba, Canada Posts 305 Re: Aux plug Sorry to inject a little bit of bad news, but before anyone with a 1987-1996 TW200 runs out to buy a lot of equipment, here it is: (Typical) Alternator Charging Output vs. RPM (1987-1996 TW200) Type 2JX (from my shop manual) RPM      Volts      Amps      Watts 2000         11           1            11 4000         13.5       2.2          30 8000         14           3            42 11000       14          3.3          46 Charging current in this table obviously does not include the headlight or taillight because they are supplied separately from the alternator, presumably with AC. Has anyone considered running the headlamp through a relay with a flasher on the coil (input) side in the daytime to save current and increase visibility ?  (I'm thinking of the Hurt report here) TW-87 1987 TW200, 15/44 sprockets, DID O-ring chain, Award winning, "Quick Release" Action Packer :-))    Report

03-11-2010, 7:12 PM TW2007 Joined on 09-17-2007 Washington Posts 1,189 Re: Aux plug <BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>bser613 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">I know you said the draw on the headlight was 5amp. Was that with the 55 or 35 bulb? Do you have the numbers after you did the mods to the headlights and signals? This is excellent info you are providing here</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> The 55 watt bulb draws approximately 4-5 amps The 33 watt bulb draws approximately 3 amps. Switching to LED will save you about another 2-3 amps. Mike. This weekend I going to run the bike and see at what rpm the bike is now in a steady state - my guess is 100-200 rpm above idle. But, I will let you know when I get this test done. Mike The TW200 may be slow but the Earth is patient. For my Travel Log Visit http://backroadsofnorthamerica.com/ Planning a Trip to Sumpter Oregon in July    Report

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