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03-16-2010, 12:00 PM MadMike2288 Joined on 03-01-2010 Joshua Tree, CA Posts 96 Any deep sand riding advice??? So I just started riding and a lot of the trails around my house (Joshua Tree, CA) have deep sand sections. I can manage them but I need to stay in 1st or 2nd drag my feet in fear of dumping the bike from the front tire digging in. Does anyone have any advice on how to pass these sections easier?? Thanks 1999 TW200    Report

03-16-2010, 12:13 PM QWERTY Joined on 11-22-2006 Posts 2,360 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? The stock front tire sucks in sand--very little sirectional authority in any loose soil, actually. Try a more aggressive tire. Sand sucks a lot of power. WFO in the tallest gear the bike will pull--pretty much speed is required to plane the tires over tha sand. Stand on the pegs and slide your butt way back to shift as much weihgt as possible off the front tire so it planes easier.    Report

03-16-2010, 1:40 PM JS5owner Joined on 04-02-2007 Desert Hot Springs / Palm Springs CA Posts 526 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? Attachment: muley12-2009.JPG MadMike, I'm just over the hill from you in Desert Hot Springs! I switched to a Maxxis 6006 front and a Duro for the rear and LOVE IT on our washes, etc. As has been said the stock tires are kinda loose on sand and the front tire really sucked for me. When I put the 6006 on the front it made a huge difference. We'll have to ride sometime. -Jeff 2007-Turn Beeper, Tusk riser & guards, Cycleracks Rear, Garmin 60csx & 205w, Ricochet Armor, Rear Bag, Gorilla Alarm, Stearns cover, 90d fuel filter, Oury Grips, Mule Hitch Pin, Duro Power Grip & 6006 tires, Digital temp & tach, 55t sprocket, Odyssey batt.    Report

03-16-2010, 4:50 PM MadMike2288 Joined on 03-01-2010 Joshua Tree, CA Posts 96 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? Ya let me know when your in Joshua Tree, I'll have to look into a new front tire I think cause it can get pretty scary when that front tire gets sloppy. How much does the Maxxis 6006 cost? 1999 TW200    Report

03-17-2010, 12:12 AM TWrider Joined on 03-13-2008 NE Ohio Posts 116 Re: Any deep sand riding advice???  MadMike2288 wrote: So I just started riding and a lot of the trails around my house (Joshua Tree, CA) have deep sand sections. I can manage them but I need to stay in 1st or 2nd drag my feet in fear of dumping the bike from the front tire digging in. Does anyone have any advice on how to pass these sections easier?? Thanks yes, put a blaster 250 or a yz490 motor in that thing    Report

03-17-2010, 5:09 AM seraan78 Joined on 10-17-2008 Westchester, New york Posts 28 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? I'm a new rider but my favorite place is very sandy. I just bought the got the Kenda k760 (DOT, 80% dirt, 20% road, thread depth is about 16.5mm) but it's not on yet. When it's not so deep, about less then 3" I look very far away and go as fast as I dare to. From what I read the idea is to go fast so you float on the top. The front does snake a bit, but that's normal and should get used to it. Faster you go, the snaking seems less. As soon as I look down, I get scared from what I see and take back from the throttle and down I go. On the deep sand, (deep enough not to bother with the kickstand) you need a lot of throttle. I haven't mastered that yet, maybe the new tire will help. Not sure if the TW has enough power for that? (maybe someone had done it, would love to know!) Do not use any front brake or you will be flying like superman. That's how I lost my mirror on the first ride.    Report

03-18-2010, 5:56 AM rodrey Joined on 05-14-2009 Simi Valley, Ca Posts 744 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? As said before, keep on the gas, and just ignore what the front end is doing. You will drift around a bit, but it won't do anything bad. Eyes fixed straight ahead, and just let her dance a bit. TW-less for now... Proud Dad of a Marine 3 1/2 gallon Clarke tank Banshee rear shock XT250 forks 21" front rim XT250 speedo cluster XT225 kickstand Duro Power Grip ATV tire Opened up exhaust CRF 450 handlebars GPS bar mount    Report

03-18-2010, 11:33 AM MadMike2288 Joined on 03-01-2010 Joshua Tree, CA Posts 96 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? Just did some riding today. and Yes more throttle is better... 1999 TW200    Report

03-18-2010, 12:42 PM seraan78 Joined on 10-17-2008 Westchester, New york Posts 28 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? When in doubt, gas it..    Report

03-18-2010, 8:35 PM fettler Joined on 01-08-2010 los angeles Posts 32 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? Keep your feet on the pegs. Gas, gas, gas. You gotta keep the front light. Never use the front brake. If you go off the gas the front will sink and stick. Wear good off road boots and helmet and gloves, body armor is cool too. Get hand guards Spare clutch and brake levers! Don't look down, look were you are going. If you have an emergency stop and hit your back brake hard, just leave it on, do not hit it then let it off you will high side. Not too many people like sand! I ride, therefore I am    Report

03-20-2010, 8:10 AM Ben Parry Joined on 05-29-2008 Perth, Western Australia Posts 1,342 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? We ride in vry deep and soft sand here. typical for the bike to be 8" deep if you stop... and no need for the side stand. So. Drop the tyre pressures and in particular, the rear. 8psi is fine, you can go to 6 with no issues. Get a narrower front tyre but more agressive tread pattern. I use a Pirreli Rally raid type tyre on the front. A wider front tyre will make the bike worse in soft sand. Use all the power the bike has. Gear a bit lower and you will find that you can pull 3rd and get on top of the sand. At about 30mph, you will suddenly find the handling changes and you ride on top of the sand. Under this speed you have to plough through it and it's very heavy going. Stock gearing will not allow riding in 3rd if the sand is soft. So use a bigger rear sprocket. Weight on the back of the bike. If in doubt, use more gas. BP.    Report

03-20-2010, 1:41 PM WIJake Joined on 11-05-2009 Waterford, WI Posts 11 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? 1.  Lots of throttle 2.  Stand up, keep your butt over the rear wheel 3.  More throttle 4.  Loose grip on the bars, the wheel will want to wander - let it. 5.  More throttle 6.  Keep your head up - what's immediately in front of the wheel you can't do anything about anyway. 7. More throttle Loose sand can be a challenge, but one can also have a great deal of fun as well.  Dog paddling should be avoided, it's tiresome, somewhat dangerous and you cannot shift your weight quick enough.  If you are dog paddling, you need more practice. Some front tires are better than others, but it's most important to keep both your weight and that of the motorcycle off the front wheel as much as possible.  If you are uncomfortable or unsure of your abilities to stand up and ride, go find some hard pack and practice - you will not regret it. Have fun and keep the shiny side up. Jake   Thinking about adding a 2010 Ducati 796! 07 HD Nightster 05 Ducati 749s (my son's race bike) 71 Kawasaki KX125 - Family Collector Bike 87 TW200 - 2ea! 99 Honda Shadow Aero 01 Honda 50 Elite Scoot 86 Honda 50 Scoot 86 Kawasaki KLF300    Report

03-20-2010, 8:07 PM MadMike2288 Joined on 03-01-2010 Joshua Tree, CA Posts 96 Re: Any deep sand riding advice??? Thanks for all the advice guys.. It's really helping out. I should be going for a ride tomorrow and I am looking forward to trying out these new techniques. 1999 TW200    Report

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